Darby_
10:31 Wed Dec 8
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There's nothing funnier than Mashed in Moscow coming to the defense of his beloved Putin, then telling you he won't read your post.
You can't help but get the image of a child sticking his fingers in ear ears and chanting "lalalalala I can't hear you"
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mashed in maryland
10:18 Wed Dec 8
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Didn't bother reading that. No one else will either. No one cares about Ukraine, about you, or what you think about Ukraine.
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Hammer and Pickle
10:03 Wed Dec 8
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Ah bless - your sense of personal sovereignty is so flimsy that you're hardly going to have much of a grasp of the sovereignty of nation states as a principle of international relations, are you mimmler.
And guess what - of course it's not about whether an ignoramus like you can place Ukraine on the map. What is at stake here is the international order of sovereign states that mutually respect each others' sovereign power to enter into treaties and alliances of their own choice. The Putin kleptocracy is desperately trying to undermine it, and of course the likes of Marie Le Pen and the nutjobs who met up in Warsaw this weekend are the usual tools promoting the Kremlin line on Ukraine useful idiots like you consume.
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mashed in maryland
9:11 Wed Dec 8
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Our media and half our politicians have been telling us the last 20 years that borders and national sovereignty etc is all racist.
Now suddenly we're all supposed to really care about the borders and national sovereignty of fucking Ukraine.
Seriously, who gives a fucking shit about Ukraine?
Most of this country and at least half the people on this thread probably couldn't point to it on a map or name more than 1 city there.
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Capitol Man
8:11 Wed Dec 8
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overbyyer 10:05 Wed Dec 8
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Yeah, that's utter crap. That's not how wholesale electricity prices are calculated.
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Mike Oxsaw
12:38 Wed Dec 8
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I see that Evergrande is back in default status again; the CCP are going to need a diversion if that collapses, which it will if it can't sell enough of it's remaining assets to pay it's obligations.
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,
11:59 Wed Dec 8
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Russia does not like sharing a border with a democracy let alone one that is part of NATO. It prefers buffer states on its borders preferably run by people of Putin’s ilk.
Finland for example is not part of Nato but it might feel some comfort being part of the EU. Russia is comfortable about Finland but the idea that a former Warsaw Pact vassal state, with a sizeable ethnic Russian population, could be democratic and an EU member in the Nato alliance is seen as a big threat. A threat that Putin will do his best to mitigate if not eliminate.
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Toe Rag
10:43 Wed Dec 8
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Purely from a humanitarian perspective, I’m happy to put up some saucy Ukrainian Dorises if they need to claim asylum.
HOT MARTA!
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WHU(Exeter)
10:35 Wed Dec 8
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Thing is with Russia, you can't pin them down, selling arms to countries that they're simultaneously at odds with in ongoing conflicts as a for instance.
They're a strange brew of pragmatic AND unpredictable
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overbyyer
10:05 Wed Dec 8
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goose wrote...
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How do you cut off oligarchs financially when our own ridiculous energy policy means we’ll be reliant on them?
Britain is being hit from all angles - gas wholesale price controlled by Russia etc., and electricity prices hugely inflated by the green levy to subsidise private companies to install wind turbines.
The gas price is being focused on, but electricity unit price is nearly three times more expensive than gas.
The green levy is supposed to be lifted by now but the wind doesn't blow consistently enough....strategic incompetence.
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goose
9:06 Wed Dec 8
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How do you cut off oligarchs financially when our own ridiculous energy policy means we’ll be reliant on them?
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Jaan Kenbrovin
3:27 Wed Dec 8
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'Joe Biden warns Vladimir Putin that US would launch 'strong' response if Russia invaded Ukraine'
LOL
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Capitol Man
2:20 Wed Dec 8
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Putin doesn’t get to decide who is in NATO. Fuck him. Not surprising that Ukraine doesn’t want to tie itself to this backwards, failing state that’s gradually going to be absorbed by the Chinese anyway.
It’s always the same tactics with Putin, raise the stakes in the hopes of winning concessions to pull back.
Time to cut those oligarchs off from the global financial system. See how much they like Putin then.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:58 Wed Dec 8
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Unless Russia rolls through to Lisbon it is always going to have NATO on its border, isn't it?
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riosleftsock
12:24 Wed Dec 8
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Surf
Russia does not want or need any more of Ukraine, it just doesn't want Nato on another border, Russia does not need any more land, the EU (nato) does.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:07 Wed Dec 8
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rios
I was addressing goose (IIRC).
I understand that Crimea's situation is problematical, though it doesn't really excuse their forcible annexation of it. But we are where we are; Russia has Sevastapol and surely doesn't need (nor have any right to) any more of Ukraine.
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riosleftsock
11:52 Tue Dec 7
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Surf
Not sure who your post was to, but Crimea was never part of Ukraine until the Ukrainian USSR President Kruschev decided to include it in the Ukraine SSR, it made sense at the time when Ukraine was part of the USSR, it no longer makes sense for Russia.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:40 Tue Dec 7
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Goose
It's not really the point is it? Though Turkey has always been part of Nato and Ukraine still isn't. Nothing of significance has changed on the NATO side for 18 years.
By your logic, if the Russian's take a fancy to Gibraltar because they deem it suits their strategic interests, that would be entirely reasonable.
I agree that the EU should keep its beak out of Ukraine. It was one of the many reasons I voted to leave.
'Final territorial demand in Europe', anyone?
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threesixty
11:31 Tue Dec 7
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The thing I don’t get about China and Taiwan is both foxxcon and tsmc are so important to China and are Taiwan based that any military disruption just seems like utter madness.
I don’t actually think China can afford to invade Taiwan. In doing so they will also be creating even more serious military problems with Japan and S.Korea ending up expanding their military.
It’s like the biggest form of self sabotage anyone could bother doing.
I think they want a treaty and some way to say that Taiwan is linked to them officially just for bragging rights. I see no upside for China at all doing this apart from some perverse brinkmanship that the leader is stuck on.
Does your average Chinese person give two fucks whether Taiwan is a country or not? There too busy being rich surely???
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goose
11:26 Tue Dec 7
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And do you think having NATO right on the doorstep of such a strategically important port changes that status quo?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:19 Tue Dec 7
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Er. Yes.
So Russia has no strategic need whatsoever to change the status quo.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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